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Laporte JR, Figueras A. Placebo effects in psychiatry. Lancet 1994; 344: 1206-9. | Laporte JR, Figueras A. Placebo effects in psychiatry. Lancet 1994; 344: 1206-9. | ||
| − | Joyce CRB. Placebo and complementary medicine. Lancet 1944: 1279-81.<br/> '''Joseph Kleijnen found 1100 publications about placebo'''<br/> Kleijnen JMP de Craen AJM, van Everdingen J mfl. Placebo effect in double-blind clinical trials: a review of interactions with medications. Lancet 1994; 344: 1347-9. | + | Joyce CRB. Placebo and complementary medicine. Lancet 1944: 1279-81.<br/> |
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The famous review (Jean Pierre <span style="font-family:Wingdings" lang="NO-BOK">J</span> ) <br/> Hróbjartsson A, Gøtzsche PC. Is the placebo powerless? An analysis of clinical trials comparing placebo with no treatment. New England Journal of Medicine 2001; 344: 1594-602. | The famous review (Jean Pierre <span style="font-family:Wingdings" lang="NO-BOK">J</span> ) <br/> Hróbjartsson A, Gøtzsche PC. Is the placebo powerless? An analysis of clinical trials comparing placebo with no treatment. New England Journal of Medicine 2001; 344: 1594-602. | ||
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THE START OF IT ALL – (BEVARE OF ALL THE PITFALLS _ WE CAN MENTION A LOT HERE – TELL ME IF WE SHOULD AND I WILL ADD) | THE START OF IT ALL – (BEVARE OF ALL THE PITFALLS _ WE CAN MENTION A LOT HERE – TELL ME IF WE SHOULD AND I WILL ADD) | ||
| − | Beecher HK. The powerful placebo. Journal of The American Medical Association 1955; 159: 1602-6. [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13271123 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13271123]<br/> '''THE FIRST CONTROLLED TRIAL – INVOLVES HOMEOPATHY; Joseph Dietl (1804-78) in 1849 – he only used ant tart. Comparing venesection, diet and homeopathy)[https://archive.org/details/b21710429 https://archive.org/details/b21710429]''' | + | Beecher HK. The powerful placebo. Journal of The American Medical Association 1955; 159: 1602-6. [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13271123 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13271123]<br/> '''THE FIRST CONTROLLED TRIAL – INVOLVES HOMEOPATHY; Joseph Dietl (1804-78) in 1849 – he only used ant tart. Comparing venesection, diet and homeopathy) [https://archive.org/details/b21710429 https://archive.org/details/b21710429]''' |
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| + | == <span style="color:#c0392b">Joerg</span>: Arguments against Placebo? == | ||
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| + | I doubt that all the arguments collected here are really excluding placebo effects. These also exist in animals and they also extend to serious diseases. We should be careful not to argue outside the current state of discussion. So this page has to be well researched. | ||
Latest revision as of 20:03, 20 August 2018
Jörg: REASONS WHY HOMEOPATHY CAN NOT BE PLACEBO! is not a statement.
Andreas: Material on Placebo
WE COULD HAVE A PAGE HERE WITH INFO ABOUT THE HISTORY OF PLACEBO AND THE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT:
Joerg: Actually there is a Wiki-page already to work on: Placebo
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1297390/pdf/jrsocmed00004-0023.pdf
About lack of reporting placebo content
Golomb BA, Erickson LC, Koperski S mfl. What’s in placebos: Who knows? Analysis of randomized, controlled trials. Ann Intern Med 2010; 153: 532-5.
The debate about placebo in the Lancet
Saintonge C de, Mark D, Herxheimer A. Harnessing placebo effects in health care. Lancet 1994; 344: 995-8.
Johnson AG. Surgery as placebo. Lancet 1994; 344: 1140-2.
Thomas KB. The placebo in general practice. Lancet 1994; 344:1066-7.
Laporte JR, Figueras A. Placebo effects in psychiatry. Lancet 1994; 344: 1206-9.
Joyce CRB. Placebo and complementary medicine. Lancet 1944: 1279-81.
Joseph Kleijnen found 1100 publications about placebo
Kleijnen JMP de Craen AJM, van Everdingen J mfl. Placebo effect in double-blind clinical trials: a review of interactions with medications. Lancet 1994; 344: 1347-9.
The famous review (Jean Pierre J )
Hróbjartsson A, Gøtzsche PC. Is the placebo powerless? An analysis of clinical trials comparing placebo with no treatment. New England Journal of Medicine 2001; 344: 1594-602.
Hróbjartsson A, Gøtzsche PC. Placebo interventions for all clinical conditions (Cochrane Review). I: the Cochrane Library 2004; 3. Chichester, UK: John Wiley & Sons, Ltd (oppdatert).
Logic or the lack of it in the definition
Gøtzsche PC. Is there a logic in the placebo? Lancet 1994; 344: 925-6.
Gunver Sophie Kienle and Helmut Kiene review of 800 publication
Kienle GS. Der sogenannte Placeboeffekt. Illusion, Fakten, Realität. Stuttgart, BRD: Schattauer Verlagsgesellschaft mbH, 1995.
Kienle GS, Kiene H. Placebo effect and placebo concept: A critical methodological and conceptual analysis of reports on the magnitude of the placebo effect. Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine 1996; 2: 39-54.
Kienle GS. Kritische Analyse der wissenschaftlichen Basis des sogenannten Placeboeffekts. Bedeutung des Placeboarguments für die Erfahrungsheilkunde. Acta Medica Empirica (Erfahrungsheilkunde) 1997; 5: 298-306.
Kienle GS, Kiene H. The powerful placebo effect: fact or fiction? Journal of Clinical Epidemiology 1997; 50: 1311-8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9449934
THE START OF IT ALL – (BEVARE OF ALL THE PITFALLS _ WE CAN MENTION A LOT HERE – TELL ME IF WE SHOULD AND I WILL ADD)
Beecher HK. The powerful placebo. Journal of The American Medical Association 1955; 159: 1602-6. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13271123
THE FIRST CONTROLLED TRIAL – INVOLVES HOMEOPATHY; Joseph Dietl (1804-78) in 1849 – he only used ant tart. Comparing venesection, diet and homeopathy) https://archive.org/details/b21710429
Joerg: Arguments against Placebo?
I doubt that all the arguments collected here are really excluding placebo effects. These also exist in animals and they also extend to serious diseases. We should be careful not to argue outside the current state of discussion. So this page has to be well researched.
